6th Edition rumour mill

With Warhammer 40K 6th edition fast approaching the rumour mill is starting to enter full swing, people wondering if they will ever stand a chance against grey knights or if their armies will continue to languish under the might of the space marines. 

Rumours are copied from Imperious Dominatus

From Darnok on Warseer

AP are on ccw but he says power weapons are ap 2, not 3.

Marines are going to be the obvious benefactor of this, most xenos armies are going to take a bit of a pounding, biggest loser here will be genestealers going up against other assault units.

When you charge it's double your move, infantry move 6, bikes 8 cav 7 etc.

What about fleeting units? bikes can normally charge 18" now....

It's move assault then shooting now!

This is going to have a huge impact on the game, Elite squads like Purifiers able to mow down opponents in combat then shot psycannons and storm bolters at another unit, nasty.

Fnp is 5+. Master crafted ccw give you a 5+ invuln save

FNP is a bit of a nerf to Sanguinary priests (who were a bit OP anyway) and Tervigons with catalyst, don't know about master crafted weapons giving a 5++ though?

When you shoot you roll to hit depending on the speed of your target. Fast vehicles you always need a 6.

Fast vehicles just became a lot more valuable then

A unit can't claim a object while inside a vehicle.

Makes sense

There's new kinds of instance death. If your say strengh 8 vs a space marine captain toughness 4

you only do 2 wounds! Strengh (9?) or more would do 3 wounds & kill him.

Or could be an additional wound for every point of strength over the double toughness, This makes the Doom of Malantai much more valuable, if he can survive a krak missile

In kill point missions you get kill points based on what the units points cost, so for example a

landraider would be worth 5 kill points & a unit of marines 3pts.

Why not just go back to victory points, this seems to be for every 50 points or part of, which means a guard squad is worth 1, a guard squad with a meltagun is worth 2. Needlessly complicated.

hat wrote:

I mistyped re: the cover saves. Ruins are 4+, the vast majority of stuff is 5+

Fully expected cover to get worse, makes vemonthropes, KFF, and other cover save generators more valuable

I did not mistype WS1 for moving vehicles, they are not WS10 if they moved - flyers might be different; not sure.

The ability to hit vehicles in combat a bit easier would be good for Tyranids, most other armies rely on shooting

Preferred Enemy change of reroll 1's to wound is in addition to current rules for Preferred Enemy

Templars, Necrons, and tyranids benefit from this one

Flyers are noted in the BRB changing some of the existing vehicles (Summary sheet in the back)

Eldar Flyer, Void Raven and Tau I believe are in the same wave.

A Tau model, N'ah I don't believe it :-P

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Darnok wrote:

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hat wrote:

More Info (unsure if others have mentioned it however)

Plastic Plaguebearers & Nurglings, Finecast Blue Scribes in August (amongst what Im presuming is that metal daemons will be released with Finecast Versions.)

Finecast will replace all metal models in the next year (unsure if that means specialist)

6th ed - a few morsels

Random Charges are 2D6 pick the highest (unless going through Difficult Terrain where its 3D6 and you drop the highest.) Move through cover I believe adds an extra D6

This is going to hurt assault armies pretty badly, a short run of bad luck could prove extremely crippling with a large portion of the army being stranded in the open failing to reach the enemy. Ouch

Vehicles are WS0 if stationary, and WS1 if they move, no matter how far they go.

Vehicles go the same distance in the movement phase (I believe 6" and fire everything regardless if fast or not) but in the shooting phase can make an extra move (apparently some kept forgetting what vehicles moved to fast to fire...

Vehicles cannot contest (unsure if scoring units in transports can

6 Missions and 3 deployment types (2 of the deployments are the same as current, Spearhead & Pitched Battle.)

Troops are the only ones that can score (including of course 'scoring units')

5+ Cover save for most things including ruins.

Allies rules are in, but its meant to be for team games (ie separate force org chart, distrusted ally rules similar to Fantasy)

Sounds like it could be good for a laugh

Percentages are *not* in

Phew.

Wound Allocation is closest to furthest.

This could take ages to work out, especially if you have 2 slightly staggered units facing each other, would you have to work out each models shots individually....

Dueling is similar to challenges in fantasy but contrary to earlier rumors, they don't replace Combat res, just add to sides. A IC can challenge another IC in the same combat even if not in base to base. If the defending IC refuses, he simply cannot attack that turn, if he does he counts as being in b2b and no one else can hurt him apart from the attacking IC. I'm guessing this is to offset the Wound Allocation rules

Necron lords with mindshackle scarabs would get pretty beastly in combat with this rule. Declare a challenge and watch the enemy IC kill himself, nice

Preferred Enemy is including shooting and you may reroll wound rolls of a 1 (either shooting or combat)

Not for Templars though.. Boo

Rapid Fire weapons may now can shoot at long range while moving. restriction on assaulting after rapid firing remains.

Huge benefit to Grey hunters, not really a nerf to grey knights, but a slight equaliser, makes a foot guard army able to lay down a huge amount of lasgun fire (even flashlights in a big enough quantity can be deadly

Jump Infantry get a free strike at I10 when they charge into combat

Would have thought monstrous creatures would get similar impact hits, as much as I think having an assualt marine land on me would hurt, i think being trampled by a carnifex would hurt more.

Psychic Power Decks using a dice system similar to Fantasy.

Flyers are in.

FNP drops to 5+ Save.

I'm calling it now - Infantryhammer

Kroothawk wrote:

More extensive overview by stickmonkey (maybe you should edit the thread title to "Release schedule rumours"):

Rumored Daemon wave:

Plague bearers (5x box) Plastic. Priced as pink horrors

Furies (5x box) plastic. Priced as de scourges

Blue scribes (finecast)

Herald of nurgle (finecast)

Maybe a little surprise here too...

Plastic GDs are done, rumored to have pieces to build named GD as variants ( though not expected til 2013)

Rumored flyer wave:

De bomber

Eldar fighter

Tau fighter

(go look at relevant thread for details)

Rumored box set contents:

Marines

Chaos

( go look at relevant thread for details)

Rumored next Codex:

Chaos Space Marines

( go look at relevant thread for details)

Rumored July release:

6th Ed hard back

6th Ed special edition

Limited templates, game aids, and what not for 6th edition...

( go look at relevant thread for details)

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(On Deffcoptas)

They are a little bulkier, but not that much bigger. A few pilot options, and some (I think 2) grot hangers on. And some other flavor bits. Like all ork kits you can go to town with making it unique. It's 1 full sprue per Kotpa. To do 3 per box would mean the rhino size box.